Wednesday, July 22, 2015

Marco's Baseball blog-o-roonie at the break

MARCO'S BASEBALL BLOG-O-ROONIE

THE “MOUNT RUSHMORE” DEBATE:

MLB has asked fans to choose the “Mt. Rushmore” of each team...the 4 players who represent each team best throughout their history.
I now reprint my picks for the original eight teams of the American League in conjunction with scathing repudiations of the imbecilic picks of mere fans.
Then I'll do the National League.


YANKEES: easy...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle.
...but in the foothills are Berra, Ford, Jeter and Rivera.

*no arguments here! The fans agreed!

RED SOX: harder...Cy Young, The Thumper, Yaz, Ortiz
foothills: Pedro Martinez,(Big Asterisk* Clemens)

*the fans picked Pedro Martinez over Cy Young. Pedro's 5 years (starting with Montreal in 97 when he had an ERA of 1.90) are indeed as dominant as any pitcher has ever had. Considering the hitter's era he pitched in, Pedro was the most dominant pitcher of all time in the 99 and 2000 seasons.

But how do you keep Cy Young off Mt. Rushmore? Pedro pitched 7 seasons for the Sox, Cy pitched 8. Cy actually pitched more for the National League Cleveland and St. Louis franchises. So I guess I'll let it pass. I love Pedro, but you will see a trend of ignoring the great players of earlier eras. Today's fans have no sense of history.

ST.LOUIS BROWNS/BALTIMORE ORIOLES: George Sisler (hit .400 twice), Brooks Robinson, Cal Ripken, Eddie Murray
foothills: Jim Palmer

*fans put Palmer in and completely ignored the fact that the franchise started in ST. Louis with the Browns. So no Sisler.

WASHINGTON SENATORS/MINNESOTA TWINS: Walter Johnson, Harmon Killebrew, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett
foothills: Bert Blyleven (under-appreciated), Jim Kaat

*ring the alarm bells! Fans did NOT put Walter Johnson in. They put Tony Oliva in but not Walter Johnson, the consensus best pitcher of all time...especially if you go by longevity. Now I know I'm dealing with New Age ignoramuses!

DETROIT TIGERS: Ty Cobb, Hank Greenberg, Charlie Gehringer,
Al Kaline
foothills: Alan Trammel, Miguel Cabrera

*fans jumped the gun by putting Miguel Cabrera in instead of Gehringer. Maybe by the time he's done, but it's too early. Somebody look up Gehringer's record. 14 stellar seasons. Lifetime .320/.404/.480 and played the best defense of his time. Won a couple of World Series too.

CLEVELAND INDIANS: Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker (The Grey Eagle...always liked his nickname), Bob Feller, Satchel Paige (I know he only played a couple of years for them when he was about 50 but hey, some team should have room for the greatest pitcher of all time on Mt. Rushmore. Who would you rather have, Rocky Colavito?)
foothills: Lou Boudreau, Rocky Colavito

*fans put in Vizquel and Jim Thome instead of Nap Lajoie and Paige. Okay, I was having fun with Paige (see story at end of today's blog) but they actually called the Indians the “Cleveland Naps” when Lajoie played. Top 5 of second basemen all time.

PHILADELPHIA/KANSAS CITY/OAKLAND ATHLETICS: Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson
foothills: Home Run Baker, Al Simmons, Catfish Hunter, Dennis Eckersley

*of course! Who ever heard of Lefty Grove? Not the Athletics fans! They put Eckersley in there. Dumb! Grove was a Top 10 pitcher of all time.

CHICAGO WHITE SOX: Eddie Collins, Luke Appling, Nelson Fox, Frank Thomas
foothills: Big Ed Walsh (deadball era pitcher who won 40 games in 1908 while pitching 464 innings! Lifetime ERA? 1.84)

*idiot fans put Konerko, Baines and Minoso ahead of Appling, Fox and Eddie Collins. Collins is easily in the top three second baseman of all time. Top thirty of all players all time! Can you say that about Konerko or Baines? According to Bill James, Collins was among the best defensive second sackers of all time, was the best bunter of all time, invented the hit and run, caused the infield fly rule to be invented to keep him from doubling up base runners on dropped pop ups, stole 731 bases, batted .333 lifetime with a .424 lifetime On base. White Sox fans...go stand in the corner!

NATIONAL LEAGUE ORIGINAL EIGHT:

BOSTON/MILWAUKEE/ATLANTA BRAVES: Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones,Greg Maddux
foothills: Kid Nichols(averaged over 30 wins a year in the 1890s), Hugh Duffy (batted .440 in 1894...great center fielder), Ed Mathews (very close at third with Jones), Phil Niekro, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz

*Spahn and Aaron are slam dunks...fans agree with me

NEW YORK/SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: Christy Mathewson, Mel Ott, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey
foothills: Carl Hubbell, Juan Marichal, (DISQUALIFIED: BARRY BONDS...no steroid Frankensteins allowed on Mt. Rushmore!)

*stupid fans don't even mention Christy Mathewson...one of the original Hall of Famers and a great pitcher for the Giants for years and years. 6 ex post facto Cy Young awards. Shame! One of the first great American baseball heroes and a consensus top twelve pitcher. Same with Mel Ott...a great, great outfielder and 500+ home run hitter with a high average and on base percentage. Fans had Bonds and Posey. Too soon on Posey...see above for Bonds.

BROOKLYN/LOS ANGELES DODGERS: Dazzy Vance, Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider, Sandy Koufax
foothills: Zach Wheat, Pee Wee Reese, Roy Campanella

*I don't expect the fans to remember Dazzy Vance who was one of the best pitchers of the twenties. He dominated and had ERA's about two runs lower than the league for the decade of the twenties. Played for bad teams...still won 7 straight strike out titles, 3 ERA titles.

Fans liked Drysdale who was a great pitcher but overrated because he pitched in the pitcher's paradise of Dodger Stadium in the worst hitter's era of all time.

Pee Wee is a Hall of Famer who played from 1940 til 1958...the era of greatness for the Dodgers. He was the captain, the shortstop, the lead off man, the team leader in every way. He put his arm around Jackie Robinson's shoulders and let the world know that not every Southern Man was a racist. A very important Dodger.

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES: very tough choices here...Grover Alexander, Robin Roberts, Richie Ashburn, Mike Schmidt
foothills: Ed Delahanty, Sliding Billy Hamilton, Steve Carlton

*fans ignored the old timers of course...even Alexander who is probably one of the top five all time pitchers. Alex won 245 games just in the decade of the teens (nine years with 1918 off so he could go get gassed in the trenches of World War One.) total of 373 wins all time. Led in victories 6 times, innings pitched 7 times, complete games 6 times, shutouts 7 times pitching in one of the great hitter's parks of all time. He threw 16 shutouts in 1916! (Read that again!) Alex led in strike outs 6 times and ERA 5 times. He had WARs over 10 3 times! His Whips WERE unreal...etc. etc...he would have won 4 Cy Youngs ex post facto. (Cy himself would have only won 5!)
Adjust for era all you want...Grover was a pitching God.

Richie Ashburn was the heart and soul of the Phils in the fifties. (led in hits 3 times, walks 4 times, triples twice, batting twice and on base 4 times. Games played 7 times ...that's important) A great leadoff man and right up there with Willie as a great center fielder. As important to Philadelphia as Al Kaline was to Detroit.

Fans also had Schmidt and Roberts along with Carlton (5 strike out titles, 1 ERA title)...who I love but who wasn't quite as dominant as Roberts and Alexander in their respective eras.

CINCINNATI REDS: Frank Robinson, Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, Joe Morgan
foothills: Ernie Lombardi, Barry Larkin

*fans chose Barry Larkin over Robinson. Obviously they forgot that Robinson won them a pennant and was dominant for ten years in a Reds uniform before they inexplicably traded him to Baltimore where he won the triple crown in 66. Barry Larkin was a great team leader and shortstop. But Robinson was very close to Willie and Hank as a hitter in that era and was way better than everybody else. Bill James lists him as the 24th best player OF ALL TIME.

PITTSBURGH PIRATES: Honus Wagner, Ralph Kiner, Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell
foothills: Arky Vaughn (top five shortstops of all time), Paul Waner (300 hit club)

*fans voted for Mazeroski who will always be a God in Pittsburgh. Over Kiner. Kiner was super productive as a home run hitter who walked a lot and carried a bad team for years. He couldn't run, field or throw. Maz was a pathetic hitter with a terrible on base percentage but was the best fielding second baseman of all time. Turned the double play better than anyone before or since. Has the highest fielding rating OF ANY PLAYER ALL TIME AT ANY POSITION. So I guess it can be a good argument. But if Maz hadn't hit that one home run...

CHICAGO CUBS: Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown, Gabby Hartnett, Ernie Banks, Ryne Sandberg
foothills: Cap Anson*, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Sammy Sosa*

*fans picked Santo and Williams but not Brown or Gabby. I expected that. Brown was one of the two best pitchers of his era along with Christy Mathewson. He beat Matty head to head in those early days of the great rivalry between the Giants and the Cubs...the only time that the Cubs ever won World Series. I just think that the best player on those early Cubs teams should be on Mt. Rushmore for them. And Brown, pitching with a mutilated hand...was one of the best pitchers ever.

Gabby helped the Cubs win a couple of pennants in the twenties and thirties. He was the leader at catcher. Williams and Santo are both worthy candidates and great players...among the best. Sammy Sosa*...I just can't go there.

Cap Anson is a special and sinister case. He played (mostly first base) from 1871 to 1897...led the league in rbis 8 times...batting 4 times. First man to ever get to 3000 hits. What made him special was that he was largely responsible for keeping the National League together in those early years...thus getting professional baseball going. Normally he'd be considered a titan of the game and a prime candidate for Mt. Rushmore. But...Anson, more than any other man, was most responsible for keeping black players out of major league baseball. There have been other racists in baseball for sure, but this was the man who actively worked to get a permanent ban on black players... a ban that lasted until 1947.
Get down off that mountain Cap.

ALL TIME NEGRO LEAGUE MT. RUSHMORE: John Henry “Pop” Lloyd,
Oscar Charleston, Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige
foothills: Buck Leonard, Cool Papa Bell, Martin Dihigo, Rube Foster, Smokey Joe Williams and about ten others.
(Remember this is the best players from the whole league...not just one team)

Lloyd was a shortstop and Ruth called him the best player he ever saw. Charleston was known as “the black Ty Cobb” and was an Alpha Star par excellence. You've heard of Josh Gibson...probably the greatest right handed power hitter ever. Once hit a ball out of Yankee Stadium...Hit some 700 homers in Negro League play. Outstanding catching skills.
And Satchel? Well, here's a story for you:

Vin Scully tells this story:

One of the things that Bill Veeck did as a promotion, he signed Satchel Paige, who was very close to being 50 years old and still pitched very well in Triple-A. On that ballclub, back in 1956, was Whitey Herzog — now a Hall of Fame manager.
But Whitey was an outfielder, and they were playing in Rochester, New York, and Herzog was out in the outfield and he noticed a promotional thing in the Rochester ballpark. There was a hole in the fence in center field, and above it was a sign — “If you hit the ball in the air through the hole, you get $10,000.”
So Herzog went back into the clubhouse, got a bunch of balls, went out to center field and tried to throw a ball through the hole. And he couldn’t do it. So then when he went back in before the game started, Whitey was talking to Satchel Paige. And he said, “Satch, you see that hole out there in center field?”
And Paige said, “Yes, wild child.”
He said, “I’ll bet you a bottle of bourbon that you can’t throw the ball through that hole.”
So the next day, before batting practice, Herzog got a bunch of balls and he took Satchel Paige out. Herzog marched off 60 feet, 6 inches from the hole. He gave Satchel Paige the ball.
And Satchel said, “Wild child, does the ball fit through the hole?”
And Whitey Herzog said, “Satch, it sure does.”
He said, “Then you have a bet.”
So he held the ball up and looked over the ball like he was aiming a rifle. Now, Paige winds up and throws. The ball goes into the hole, spins around, and pops out again. And Herzog thinks, “Holy mackerel! He’ll never come any closer than that.”
Paige picks up the next ball, aims: right through the hole. Clean as a whistle. He said, “Wild child, I will take that,” and walked off the field.”


Answer to the stumper question:
What brothers hold the major league record for most home runs by sibling players?
Answer: Hank Aaron and Tommie Aaron. Hank hit 755 and Tommie hit 13!
Next post before I leave for New Mexico at the end of July!





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